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Brave New Biology: Intelligence Trumps DNA — with Dr. Michael Levin and Dr. John Vervaeke

Dr. Michael Levin is a professor in the Department of Biology at Tufts University and an associate faculty member at the Wyss Institute at Harvard. He directs the Allen Discovery Center at Tufts, where his team integrates biophysics, computational modeling, and behavioral science to study how cellular collectives make decisions during embryogenesis, regeneration, and cancer.

Levin’s research centers on diverse forms of intelligence and unconventional embodied minds, bridging conceptual theory, experimental biology, and translational work aimed at regenerative medicine. His lab also pioneers efforts in artificial intelligence and the bioengineering of novel living machines.

Read more about Dr. Michael Levin’s work: https://drmichaellevin.org/
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YouTube: ‪@drmichaellevin

John Vervaeke’s YouTube channel: ‪@johnvervaeke

📖 Let’s take our stories back. Check out our latest book in the Tales for Now and Ever series, Rapunzel and the Evil Witch: https://rapunzelbook.com/

Join Fr. Stephen De Young in his Jubilees and the Nephilim course, now streaming live on The Symbolic World: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/cour… 00:00 — Coming up 01:14 — Intro music 01:40 — Introduction 02:23 — What Michael does 06:19 — Example experiments 07:51 — Memories outside the brain 12:46 — Terminology: memory 13:59 — Communicate to biological cells 15:54 — Limitations? 17:39 — Platonic patterns 34:06 — Incarnation and constraints 39:26 — Causes 49:28 — New beings in new spaces 52:25 — What the Enlightenment dismissed 55:32 — Molecular medicine 57:36 — Subtle bodies 01:00:45 — Ethics 01:03:37 — Medical and meaning applications 01:11:42 — Frightening 01:14:31 — Against the status quo 01:19:03 — Should we dabble in this technology? 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

Beyond the Brain: Michael Levin on Living Intelligence & Minds in the era of AI

A conversation co-published by AI House Davos and Michael Levin’s Academic Content (@drmichaellevin)

In this conversation, we explore how intelligence exists across all scales of life, from cells to collectives, and what this means for our understanding of AI, minds, and what it means to be human.

Professor Michael Levin challenges the assumption that intelligence begins with brains, revealing how biological systems improvise, adapt, and solve problems in ways that go far beyond what our computational architectures attempt. From cognitive glue to the ethics of diverse intelligence, this interview questions the categories we’ve inherited and asks what truly matters as we enter an era of radically different embodiments.

Speaker.
Michael Levin (Director at Allen Discovery Center at Tufts University)

Moderator.
Louisa Hillegaart (Founder’s Associate, AI House Davos)

© AI House Davos 2025

Why comparisons between AI and human intelligence miss the point

AI systems, by contrast, do not cooperate, negotiate meaning, form social bonds or engage in shared moral reasoning. They process information in isolation, responding to prompts without awareness, intention or accountability.

Embodiment and social understanding matter

Human intelligence is also embodied. Our thinking is shaped by physical experience, emotion and social interaction. Developmental psychology shows that learning begins in infancy through touch, movement, imitation and shared attention with others. These embodied experiences ground abstract reasoning later in life.

Episode 2 — The Prospect of Immortality & Human Cryopreservation

Host: Kyle O’Brien — https://twitter.com/analog_kyle.

Guest: Emil Kendziorra — https://twitter.com/emilkendziorra.
Founder of @TomorrowBio.

Theme || the prospect of immortality & human cryopreservation.

Is Death just a Technical Problem we haven’t solved yet?

In this episode of State Change, Kyle O’Brien sits down with Emil Kendziorra, founder of Tomorrow Bio, to explore the science, ethics, and future of cryopreservation — the process that may one day allow humans (and even pets) to be revived centuries from now.

We talk about the brain, identity, consciousness, why people fear death, and what it means to rewrite the social contract when life extension becomes real.

It’s time to think about human reproduction in space, scientists urge

There are currently no widely accepted, industry-wide standards for managing reproductive health risks in space, the study notes. The researchers highlight unresolved questions around preventing inadvertent early pregnancy during missions, understanding the fertility impacts of microgravity and radiation, and setting ethical boundaries for any future reproduction-related research beyond Earth.

“If reproduction is ever to occur beyond Earth,” the study notes, “it must do so with a clear commitment to safety, transparency and ethical integrity.”

This research is described in a paper published Feb. 3 in the journal Reproductive Biomedicine Online.

Neuroscience Beyond Neurons? The Diverse Intelligence Era | Michael Levin & Robert Chis-Ciure

What if neurons aren’t the foundation of mind?

In this Mind-Body Solution Colloquia, Michael Levin and Robert Chis-Ciure challenge one of neuroscience’s deepest assumptions: that cognition and intelligence are exclusive to brains and neurons.

Drawing on cutting-edge work in bioelectricity, developmental biology, and philosophy of mind, this conversation explores how cells, tissues, and living systems exhibit goal-directed behavior, memory, and problem-solving — long before neurons ever appear.

We explore:
• Cognition without neurons.
• Bioelectric networks as control systems.
• Memory and learning beyond synapses.
• Morphogenesis as collective intelligence.
• Implications for AI, consciousness, and ethics.

This episode pushes neuroscience beyond the neuron, toward a deeper understanding of mind, life, and intelligence as continuous across scales.

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Joscha Bach presents “Machine Consciousness and Beyond” | dAGI Summit 2025

Bach reframes AI as the endpoint of a long philosophical project to “naturalize the mind,” arguing that modern machine learning operationalizes a lineage from Aristotle to Turing in which minds, worlds, and representations are computational state-transition systems. He claims computer science effectively re-discovers animism—software as self-organizing, energ†y-harvesting “spirits”—and that consciousness is a simple coherence-maximizing operator required for self-organizing agents rather than a metaphysical mystery. Current LLMs only simulate phenomenology using deepfaked human texts, but the universality of learning systems suggests that, when trained on the right structures, artificial models could converge toward the same internal causal patterns that give rise to consciousness. Bach proposes a biological-to-machine consciousness framework and a research program (CIMC) to formalize, test, and potentially reproduce such mechanisms, arguing that understanding consciousness is essential for culture, ethics, and future coexistence with artificial minds.

Key takeaways.

▸ Speaker & lens: Cognitive scientist and AI theorist aiming to unify philosophy of mind, computer science, and modern ML into a single computationalist worldview.
▸ AI as philosophical project: Modern AI fulfills the ancient ambition to map mind into mathematics; computation provides the only consistent language for modeling reality and experience.
▸ Computationalist functionalism: Objects = state-transition functions; representations = executable models; syntax = semantics in constructive systems.
▸ Cyber-animism: Software as “spirits”—self-organizing, adaptive control processes; living systems differ from dead ones by the software they run.
▸ Consciousness as function: A coherence-maximizing operator that integrates mental states; second-order perception that stabilizes working memory; emerges early in development as a prerequisite for learning.
▸ LLMs & phenomenology: Current models aren’t conscious; they simulate discourse about consciousness using data full of “deepfaked” phenomenology. A Turing test cannot detect consciousness because performance ≠ mechanism.
▸ Universality hypothesis: Different architectures optimized for the same task tend to converge on similar internal causal structures; suggests that consciousness-like organization could arise if it’s the simplest solution to coherence and control.
▸ Philosophical zombies: Behaviorally identical but non-conscious agents may be more complex than conscious ones; evolution chooses simplicity → consciousness may be the minimal solution for self-organized intelligence.
▸ Language vs embodiment: Language may contain enough statistical structure to reconstruct much of reality; embodiment may not be strictly necessary for convergent world models.
▸ Testing for machine consciousness: Requires specifying phenomenology, function, search space, and success criteria—not performance metrics.
▸ CIMC agenda: Build frameworks and experiments to recreate consciousness-like operators in machines; explore implications for ethics, interfaces, and coexistence with future minds.

Eve Poole on Robot Souls, Junk Code and the Future of AI

Are we building AI that enhances humanity or a master race of beautifully optimized psychopaths?

My latest Singularity. FM conversation with Dr. Eve Poole goes straight to the nerve:

What makes us human, and what happens when we leave that out of our machines?

Eve argues that the very things Silicon Valley dismisses as “junk code”—our emotions, intuition, uncertainty, meaning-making, story, conscience, even our mistakes—aren’t flaws in our design. They’re the *reason* our species survived. And we’re coding almost none of it into AI.

The result? Systems with immense intelligence but no soul, no context, no humanity—and therefore, no reason to value us.

In this wide-ranging conversation, we dig into:

🔹 Why the real hallmarks of humanity aren’t IQ but junk code 🔹 Consciousness, soul, and the limits of rationalist AI thinking 🔹 Theology, capitalism & tech: how we ended up copying the wrong parts of ourselves 🔹 Why “alignment” is really a parenting challenge, not a control problem 🔹 What Tolkien, u-catastrophe, and ancient stories can teach us about surviving the future 🔹 Why programming in humanity isn’t for AI’s sake—it’s for ours.

The 2026 Timeline: AGI Arrival, Safety Concerns, Robotaxi Fleets & Hyperscaler Timelines | 221

The 2026 Timeline: AGI Arrival, Safety Concerns, Robotaxi Fleets & Hyperscaler Timelines ## The rapid advancement of AI and related technologies is expected to bring about a transformative turning point in human history by 2026, making traditional measures of economic growth, such as GDP, obsolete and requiring new metrics to track progress ## ## Questions to inspire discussion.

Measuring and Defining AGI

🤖 Q: How should we rigorously define and measure AGI capabilities? A: Use benchmarks to quantify specific capabilities rather than debating terminology, enabling clear communication about what AGI can actually do across multiple domains like marine biology, accounting, and art simultaneously.

🧠 Q: What makes AGI fundamentally different from human intelligence? A: AGI represents a complementary, orthogonal form of intelligence to human intelligence, not replicative, with potential to find cross-domain insights by combining expertise across fields humans typically can’t master simultaneously.

📊 Q: How can we measure AI self-awareness and moral status? A: Apply personhood benchmarks that quantify AI models’ self-awareness and requirements for moral treatment, with Opus 4.5 currently being state-of-the-art on these metrics for rigorous comparison across models.

AI Capabilities and Risks.

Elon Musk on AGI Timeline, US vs China, Job Markets, Clean Energy & Humanoid Robots

Questions to inspire discussion.

🤖 Q: How quickly will AI and robotics replace human jobs? A: AI and robotics will do half or more of all jobs within the next 3–7 years, with white-collar work being replaced first, followed by blue-collar labor through humanoid robots.

🏢 Q: What competitive advantage will AI-native companies have? A: Companies that are entirely AI-powered will demolish competitors, similar to how a single manually calculated cell in a spreadsheet makes it unable to compete with entirely computer-based spreadsheets.

💼 Q: What forces companies to adopt more AI? A: Companies using more AI must outcompete those using less, creating a forcing function for increased AI adoption, as inertia currently keeps humans doing AI-capable tasks.

📊 Q: How much of enterprise software development can AI handle autonomously? A: Blitzy, an AI platform using thousands of specialized agents, autonomously handles 80%+ of enterprise software development, increasing engineering velocity 5x when paired with human developers.

Energy and Infrastructure.

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